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What an excellent interview! We need to share this with as many people as possible! Thanks Matthew!

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I’m glad you liked it! As a former right winger, I still am constantly shocked at how unserious progressive donors and leaders are about public advocacy. They think everyone listens to NPR and watches MSNBC. Not even close!

Also just for my curiosity, did you read, watch, or listen to the discussion?

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I read the transcript, but I also bought the Audible version of Rachel's book.

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